Kemi Badenoch
Leader, Conservatives
Some bluff & spin
Bluff23%Spin35%
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Answers questions
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61 questions rated. Answered = 1, Partly answered and Declined openly = ½, Dodged = 0.
Answered 24Partly answered 23Declined openly 8Dodged 6
Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
Can we say good to see you? As you know, I get confused very easily. Um you say you want to win back reform voters and if I'm sure you're aware the average income in Clacton Farage's seat is around 40,000. Your policy of um ending the withdrawal of child care support, that helps uh homes with incomes of a penny less than 200,000 lbs. What you're about to do tomorrow on inheritance tax, that'll benefit 1 in 20 people with assets of more than a a million.
What's in it for reform voters?
Partly answeredAsked what Conservative policies on childcare and inheritance tax offer Reform voters on lower incomes. Says the inheritance tax policy has not been announced and the interviewer is guessing; the question about Reform voters is taken up only after the follow-up. (Premise challenged.)Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
the broader point of of people on lower incomes, what are you doing for them?
Partly answeredAsked what the party is doing for people on lower incomes. Says there is something for everybody and describes a simpler system without the £100,000 childcare cliff edge, but names no measure aimed at lower earners.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
But my point is slightly different. I mean, from what I can see, what you're trying to do is win back richer southern households who are currently either voting Lib Dem or Labour or thinking of doing so. There's no shame in trying to woo those voters, is there?
Partly answeredAsked whether the party is really trying to win back richer southern households. Says the aim is to grow the economy and rejects judging policy in electoral terms, without saying who the policies are meant to win over. (Premise challenged.)Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
But the problem with ignoring I mean, your advisers are telling you the electoral calculus says unless voters think that you are the main opposition and they currently see Reform as the main opposition, you're not going to you're not going to claw back.
AnsweredAsked about advice that voters see Reform as the main opposition. Says the opposite is happening and gives reasons: polling, government U-turns, and Reform having no defence spokesman.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
but on that, you have basically said the priority is to win back the Tory reputation for economic
AnsweredAsked whether the priority is to win back a reputation for economic competence. Says yes.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
But you keep announcing these really pretty expensive spending commitments, whether it's the new missile protection system a billion a year, whether it is the exempt or halving national insurance for 21 to 24-year-olds, couple of billion. You're not even publishing your savings plan till tomorrow. It all feels a bit dodgy if I'm Well honest.
Partly answeredAsked how new spending commitments are paid for when the savings plan is not yet published. Says the plans have been set out, including the missile defence plan, without giving the funding source in the answer.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
So I'm going to have to wait for tomorrow to see the details.
AnsweredAsked whether he must wait until tomorrow for the details. Says more will come, but the missile defence system and the route to 3% on defence have already been set out.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
But what if you were serious about controlling the public finances, you would do what your current shadow foreign secretary said you should do about a year ago, which is reform the triple lock.
AnsweredAsked why not reform the triple lock, as a senior colleague once proposed. Says there are arguments on both sides, the triple lock is party policy, and the party is choosing to focus on people who can work but do not.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
Now, I've got to change the subject just in a couple of ways. Um your shadow home minister, Blake Stevenson, has said there are no-go zones in Luton, which is the kind of rhetoric from the far right that the police say is just wrong.
Partly answeredAsked about a shadow minister's claim of no-go zones in Luton, which police reject. Says she does not know the context and praises the MP, without saying whether the claim is right.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
And Jenrick said something very similar when he was a member of the Tory party. He said there's a problem here, isn't
Partly answeredAsked whether this is the same rhetoric as Robert Jenrick's. Says she stands by the MP and that he will have a reason, then turns to Jenrick having left; does not say whether no-go zones exist.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
On Man City, surely the Prime Minister is right that alienating an important security and economic partner like Abu Dhabi, the owners of Man City, would be bad for this country.
AnsweredAsked whether the Prime Minister is right that alienating Abu Dhabi would harm the country. Says the UAE are allies and good relations matter, but rules must be followed and breaches need consequences.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
Couple of other things. Um you'll understand why I'm asking you this. Are you a proud Zionist?
AnsweredAsked whether she is a proud Zionist. Says she is not sure what the label means, but if it means supporting Israel's right to exist and self-determination, yes, and she backs a two-state solution.Our model rated this
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Robert Peston· ITV News interview with Robert Peston: Reform voters, the triple lock and the Green Party, 6 Oct 2026
would you say to the Green Party that says that since you support the existing state of Israel, you're a racist?
AnsweredAsked what she would say to the Green Party, which calls supporters of Israel racist. Says many in the party are antisemites and its position is shameful.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
Cammy Badnock, you're here at this conference to talk about progress, but on the hard facts, your party is still polling lower than when you were at your worst ever election defeat in 2024. Since then, you've lost a further two 1,237 councilors, nearly a quarter of your seats in local government. Now, you're preparing for an election next May. That is the last thing you need, isn't it? It's not winnable.
Partly answeredAsked whether an election next May is unwinnable given the polls and council losses. Says it is about what is right for the country, accepts the 2024 defeat and describes a volatile, multi-party era; does not say whether it is winnable.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
you don't want an election right now.
Partly answeredAsked whether she wants an election now. Says she wants what is right for the country and has said there should be an election if defence is not funded, without saying whether she wants one now.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
You brought up an you brought up a prospect of an early election. That's why I'm asking you about it. Your chairman Kevin Holl said yesterday, "We're not where we need to be right now. We don't want an election right now. Ideally, it doesn't look winnable for anybody."
AnsweredAsked about her chairman saying the party does not want an election now. Agrees an election now would give a hung parliament, and says it would show voters the offer.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
Um, since you are preparing for a snap poll, will you rule out any deal with reform? Not pre-election, which you've already done, but post election.
DodgedAsked whether she rules out a deal with Reform after an election. Says she wants Reform voters back and that Reform is caught up in scandal, without addressing a post-election deal.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
to be really clear for people watching this to be really clear not be in government than do a deal with
DodgedAsked to say clearly whether she would rather not be in government than deal with Reform. Says people who want Conservative government must vote Conservative.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
you would not you'd rather not be in government after an election if that's
Partly answeredAsked whether she would rather not be in government after an election. Rejects it as a false choice and says there are other options, without naming them yet.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
I'm just asking you. You wouldn't deal do a deal with reform after an election.
Declined openlyAsked to confirm she would not do a deal with Reform after an election. Says she will not take the words put in her mouth.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
You've been very clear about no deals before. I'm just asking if that's the same after.
Partly answeredAsked whether her no-deals position holds after an election. Says a hung parliament could lead to another election, as in 1974; does not state outright that a deal is ruled out.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
So clearly, you're not going to deal with do deal with reform. You're saying you'd rather have another election.
AnsweredAsked to confirm she would rather have another election than deal with Reform. Says she would rather have another.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
other people did too. And you are still here. Uh you have proved your doubters wrong. uh your ratings are outping the party. Is there some quiet satisfaction for you in that that you've proved the doubters wrong?
AnsweredAsked whether she feels quiet satisfaction at proving doubters wrong. Says she believes in herself and is glad others do, but satisfaction will come from sorting out the country.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
I haven't got loads time. Let's get on to policies. on policies. Are you really going to find up to 15 billion pounds a year from cuts elsewhere to fund abolishing inheritance tax which only the super wealthy millionaires pay anyway? Is that really your priority for this country?
Partly answeredAsked whether finding up to £15 billion to abolish inheritance tax is really her priority. Says she has not announced abolition and that the tax is a problem, citing farmers; does not address the priority or the cost.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
Only one in 20 estates pay inheritance tax. Is that really your priority?
Partly answeredAsked whether it is a priority when only one in 20 estates pay. Says the tax now catches many people it did not before; does not say whether it is her priority.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
what less than 5% of the states pay inheritance tax. It's a wealthy tax.
AnsweredTold that under 5% of estates pay and it is a tax on wealth. Disputes it: says the wealthiest avoid it through trusts and it falls on the middle class.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
people have got to be able to question the answer. You just said a middle class people have people that have over a mill a million pound in their estates. Many people watching this.
Declined openlyPressed on whether estates of over £1 million are middle class. Says the policy has not been announced and people should wait for her speech.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
You say it's morally right. Why not use that money to cut taxes for everyone? You could take two P off the basic rate of income tax and give everyone a tax break. Working people a tax break.
Partly answeredAsked why not use the money to cut the basic rate of income tax for everyone. Says no tax cuts unless funded, savings come first, and taxes should encourage work; does not say why not income tax.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
say here's a good income tax would encourage working people. not not perhaps in some other tax for the super
AnsweredPut to her that an income tax cut would do more for working people. Disagrees, saying businesses tell her they are not investing because of those taxes.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
Okay. Uh the triple lock uh you're keeping the triple lock. By 2049 to50 it'll say50 billion pounds if you reform it as Burnham wants to. You're not going to keep it for that long are you?
AnsweredAsked whether she would really keep the triple lock as its cost grows. Says it is Conservative policy and they will not change it.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
If Andy Burnham lays the legislation, which he says he will, you're not going to reverse that. You wouldn't revise that. So it could be gone by 2030.
Declined openlyAsked whether she would reverse Burnham's change if it were legislated. Says she will not speak in hypotheticals, and people who want the triple lock should vote Conservative.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
Okay. Uh I want to come to reform and its approach to politics because there's a discussion in open up about what it means to be English. Your former colleague Swella Bravman said last week, "I've always considered myself British of Asian ethnicity. It's never been something I would question. Of course, I'm not English.
I'm not an English person. I am of Asian origin." What did you think about that?
AnsweredAsked what she thought of Suella Braverman saying she is not English. Says Braverman may speak about her own identity, but she dislikes identity politics and such talk excludes people like her mixed-race children.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
The reason I'm asking you is it has opened up a conversation. Well, well um and that's why I'm asking you what you think.
Partly answeredAsked again for her view on the debate it opened. Says she wants a different conversation and respectful language for all ethnicities, without engaging with Englishness itself.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
Or as a brown person, do you agree with
Declined openlyAsked, as a brown person, whether she agrees. Says she does not want to have that conversation and is tired of being pigeonholed.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
The reason I'm asking you because discussion about Englishness and I want to ask you as a leader and I'd ask
AnsweredAsked as a leader for her view on Englishness. Says identity is personal, nobody should police others' identity and the party stands for a shared British identity.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
Okay, thank you for that. I've got one final question on values and on your opponents because Farage is under investigation from the parliamentary commissioner for failing to care 5 million donation from Christopher Harbaugh. He said it was personal. Police investigating a number of potential breaches of electoral law over money reform has received. Do you think Nigel Farra is fit to be the British prime minister?
Partly answeredAsked whether Nigel Farage is fit to be Prime Minister. Says to await the standards investigation and that someone who breaks rules should not make them; gives no direct yes or no.Our model rated this
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Beth Rigby· Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock, 6 Oct 2026
One final thing, Andy Barnum, if I may. uh you may not agree uh with his politics or his policies. I suspect you really do not. But do you have professional respect for him as a politician and a leader?
Declined openlyAsked whether she has professional respect for Andy Burnham. Says her job is to hold him to account, not give personal views, alongside remarks on his uncontested leadership.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
Would someone who earns a million pounds a year get free childare under a conservative government?
Partly answeredSays it 'doesn't matter what you earn', which implies yes, without saying so.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
But at a time when a lot of people are genuinely worried about putting food on the table, about paying their energy bills, why is it the right thing to say to someone earning a million pounds a year that they can have free child care paid for by ordinary taxpayers?
Partly answeredExplains the £100,000 cliff edge the policy targets, not why millionaires should get free childcare.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
but you could taper in the support or you could bring in a means test. Wouldn't that be the right thing to do?
Partly answeredSays the number of very high earners with small children is negligible, as a reason not to means-test; does not say whether a taper or means test would be better.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
But even if you think the amounts wouldn't be that big, is it a good use of taxpayers money to subsidize incredibly wealthy, high earning people to help them pay for looking after their own children that they chose to have?
DodgedAsked whether subsidising very high earners is a good use of taxpayers' money; answers about paying people not to work instead.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
When your shadow foreign secretary has said it's unsustainable, when the former Conservative Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has said it's unaffordable and immoral, why not back the prime minister's suggestion to alter the triple lock that guarantees very expensively pensioners incomes?
AnsweredSays the party's policy is to keep the triple lock and gives reasons.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
Let's just stick on this because you're right there. There are different issues around working age welfare and we'll come to that. But I do want to stick on this. Pensioners get 55% of all social security expenditure. The cost is enormous.
So why not look at this? In 2017, you were elected as an MP on a platform to change the triple lock. So don't you agree with your former self?
Partly answeredSays policies change and she is the leader now; does not say whether she still agrees with the 2017 platform.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
The growth of the bill for this is potentially absolutely huge. And you've written a 100page document saying you want to be careful with public money. Why not look at this?
AnsweredSays changing the triple lock only moves money around and the root cause is low growth.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
It's not a ledger a number on the the ledger or a number on the balance sheet. It's an enormous amount of money. 177 billion pounds goes on social security for pensioners. Your shadow housing secretary, Katy Lamb, who's someone you've praised as an up and cominging star in the party, said, "I just think the whole system can't stand for very much longer." Is she wrong?
Partly answeredAgrees with her colleague only about growth, not about the pension system.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
This is on the triple system. Is she wrong about that?
DodgedAsked again whether her colleague is wrong about the triple lock system; talks about growth and contributions instead.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
But just on this point about the protecting pensioners incomes in this way because changing the triple lock is not about taking away people's state pensions. It's about slowing down the rate at which the bill is forecast to increase which is enormous. So are you saying today no ifs, no buts? You will never touch the triple lock.
Partly answeredSays the triple lock is the party's policy and she has not changed her mind, without saying she will never change it.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
We have talked about your ambition on to on on child care and it's very well known. We've talked about it before that you really want to cut back on benefits for working age people. You've said in another interview u in the last couple of days that people are cheating the system. How many people do you think are cheating the benefit system?
Declined openlySays she does not have figures for how many people are cheating the system, then describes claims for low-level conditions.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
but around 10 million people of working age are on benefits. Many many of them are in work and the reason they get benefits is to make up for their low wages. So if you're going to make an accusation that people are cheating the system, I think people would want to know roughly how many of those 10 million people are you talking about
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
but do you have a sense is it most people is it
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
The point I'm trying to get from you is when you say as the leader of Her Majesty's opposition that people are cheating the system, people will, I think, expect you to have a sense of how many people you're referring to, are you referring to a tiny group of people who are taking the Mick and and you're right, that drives other people working hard round the twist. Absolutely. Or are you thinking well actually yes it might be 20% or 30% of people who are
DodgedAsked whether it is a small group or 20 to 30%; gives a statistic about disability claims instead of a proportion.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
Can you give us a sense of the proportion of which you
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
Okay. Um, you want a smaller state, smaller tax bills, but significant new extra numbers of prison places, which is in itself a big expansion of the state. If you build 50,000 extra prison places, it's a very dramatic departure. Do you think prison works?
AnsweredSays yes, prison works, and that government did not build enough places.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
I mean, there really wasn't there really wasn't enough according to to the numbers. I mean, overall, you only added 500 places to the overall estate.
AnsweredAgrees that net additions were small once closures are counted.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
There's also though a departure in the I suppose the sort of philosophy around prison. So, a former conservative justice secretary, uh, David Gawk wrote a a big review looking at all of the evidence said that when it comes to custody in prison, the evidence all suggests there should be much more focus on rehabilitation and just locking up more and more people, increasing the population, which sometimes politicians like to do because it can sound popular with members of the public. That doesn't work. So, why have you moved away from that?
AnsweredSays she disagrees with David Gauke's review and gives her reasons (reoffending, public safety).Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
Why should anybody believe though that a Conservative government would be able to deliver such a dramatic expansion, 50,000 extra spaces? That's more than half the existing number of spaces in England right now.
Partly answeredSays the money has been found and planning will be sped up, without saying how the places would be delivered.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
Um, one of the unattractive features of modern politics is that there are dangers sometimes to politicians themselves. Not just that the debate can be quite brutal but there are also dangers and risks of politicians with themselves. We have seen in the last 24 hours that Nigel Farage um had a terror threat against um a terror threat was made against Nigel Farage by the man who's been uh held over the killing of Anne Whitaker. I understand that you yourself have recently had experience of somebody who was threatening you. Can you just tell us about that?
AnsweredDescribes the man who admitted threatening to kill her and the wider threat to politicians.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
But how do you deal with that as a, you know, you're a a a mother, you're a leading politician, you're, you know, in a hugely pressured political environment, but you also have a a family, people who care about you and people you care about. How do you cope with that?
AnsweredSays it is tough but she will not be put off.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
If we stand back for a minute, whether it's sending more people to prison or accusing some people of cheating the benefit system or have introducing tougher rules for young people on benefits, some it sounds quite 1980s. Sounds like some of the things that in your party some of your colleagues worry about that. They think it might sound a bit like the return to what Theresa May once called the the nasty party. What do you say to them?
AnsweredRejects the 'nasty party' label and calls it the common-sense party.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
The right way. When you're smaller than reform in Scotland and Wales and you've lost seats to the Liberal Democrats in England and lost lots of council seats. Is 1980s conservatism really what's going to get people back to you?
Partly answeredSays it is not 1980s conservatism, without saying how it would win voters back.Our model rated this
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Laura Kuenssberg· Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg interview, 4 Oct 2026
But you just said you're happy to be old school.
AnsweredSays she is old school in principles and values.Our model rated this
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