Sky News interview with Beth Rigby: an early election, Reform and the triple lock
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Well, it's about what's right for the country, Beth. Uh, yes, we did have a terrible defeat two years ago, and we now live in a very volatile political era. We had a prime minister who came in two years ago on a huge landslide, and he's gone. Why? It's because politics is very volatile.
It's a multi-party era. But I want people to know,
So, so I I want what's right for the country. I have said that if Andy Bernham doesn't fund defense properly, we should have an election because really this is about running the country. The election is just the start. We spend too much time focusing on elections rather than on plans for the country.
Well, yes, that's that that's the point that if there's an election now, there'd be a hung parliament. But actually, the thing about an election is that people get to see what is really out there. What is the offer? We are the only credible alternative to Labor. No one else is.
I have already said that what I want are reform voters to come back to Conservatives. uh the people in reform are uh up to their necks in scandal
I've done this multiple times postition uh we went into a coalition with the Liberal Democrats in 2010. Many people believe that's when the seeds of our problem started. I want people to know they're getting
clear to people watching if you want conservative you have to vote conservative. Um uh and
not that's a false choice. There are other choices.
What I'm not doing is I'm not taking the words you want to force into my mouth. Let me tell you the situation.
Let me be clear and answer your question. If there is a hung parliament, then we can have another election. We have this in 1974. It's not about u do a deal with reform or don't be in government. In 1974, there were two elections.
I believe that the public will see who is focused and who is not.
Would rather have another.
I think you asked that question, Beth. Yes,
So um I believe in myself uh and I'm glad that um many more people believe in me but my satisfaction will only come when we're able to start sorting out the country and that's why it's all about plans.
Well, uh I don't know where you've got that from. I haven't announced abolishing uh inheritance tax. I have said that inheritance taxes are a problem. I've met people who talked about farmers considering taking their own lives so that they can pass on their farm.
Inheritance tax right now has dragged in a lot of people who weren't covered before. It doesn't that the truth is
The wealthiest people don't pay it. They have all these trusts and so on. It really affects the middle class. I would like to make sure that everyone whether they're poor or middle class or
If you're debating a policy I haven't even announced yet. You're debating a policy I haven't even announced yet. Why don't you wait and hear what it is I want to announce? Um you know so we all know what you think about inheritance taxes. Why don't we wait tomorrow and let people hear what I think about it?
We have to. We are not announcing any tax breaks unless we can afford to pay for them. That is what whether it's inheritance taxes or any kind of tax cuts. We are the party of fiscal responsibility. So we're starting with the savings and we need to make sure that where there are tax, they are things that encourage people to go out and work.
Not just to bang
I I disagree. I've met businesses that have said that they're not investing because they don't want to have those taxes. We will do what is right for the country.
Well, we have been very clear. The triple lock is conservative policy. We brought it in. We're not changing it. The person who's talking about changing it is Andy Burnham.
We think the issue is welfare people who can work who aren't working. Let's be clear though, not elderly pensioners who can work.
What I'm not doing is speaking in hypotheticals. I don't know what Andy Bernham plans to do with that money. I have to take a situation as I find it. But if people want the triple lock, then they need to vote conservative.
Uh Sella Bravman is a reform MP. She's Nigel Faraj's problem now, not mine. uh she is perfectly entitled to speak about her own identity. I am somebody who doesn't like identity politics. I'm not interested in uh this endless conversation of trying to split people into lots of boxes.
I have children who are half black uh half white. They're mixed race. I don't want to hear rhetoric that makes them feel that they're not a part of this country. So that's reforms language. Uh the Conservative Party is about bringing people together and uniting people.
We just had a World Cup this um we just had a World Cup this summer. Uh nobody was asking whether the black players were English or not. If that's the conversation that reform want to have, that's their business. But I am not interested.
Well, that's the conversation that they want to have. I want to have a different conversation. But as an ethnic minority, I also feel that um we need to make sure that we speak in a way that is respectful of people of all ethnicities. And I also But but I also
But I also know that as an ethnic minority, people are particularly interested in what I have to say. And I get this.
I don't want to have that conversation. I'm sick and tired of being pigeonholed. Suela Bravman is not a conservative MP. She can go off and say whatever it is she wants and deal with it. I'm interested in talking about this economy, how we bring people in.
but but I've answered the question identity is personal. It if she speaks about her identity that is her business. It is not for her to police other people's identity. And that is not what the Conservative Party is about. The Conservative Party even back in the 80s was saying some people say someone's black we say they're British.
We have always been about British identity bringing people together whether they're English, Scottish, Welsh or even Northern Irish. Let's talk about bringing this United Kingdom together, not about uh cutting people out. I hate that and I don't want any part of it.
So, uh, let's see what the standards investigation comes out with. I know that if I had received that kind of money, I would have had to declare it. He needs to, uh, follow the rules and play by the same rules everyone else is. Um, he, if he wants to break rules, then he shouldn't be in charge of making rules. Being prime minister means making rules and following them.
We've had previous prime ministers um, even in my party who got into a lot of trouble for breaking rules that they made for everybody else. Uh, it's time for people to follow the rules. It doesn't make sense to me why uh he would get5 million pounds. Uh it felt uh to many people like this was money he was given to run uh as an MP in which case it should have been declared. But let's see what the standards commission found
Well, let's see what the standards commissioner uh has to say. My job now is to talk about the Conservative party. Uh Nigel Farage has to answer for himself and say what standards he thinks are right for this country.
Well, um I think it's very interesting that he became leader without an actual uh contest to the extent that uh people made fun of him saying he was Labour's first female prime minister. I thought that was hilarious. Uh but he is someone who he took the job of Karma. So let's see what he can do. My job is to hold him to account.
Uh it's not uh to give a a personal uh views on how I think he's doing the job. I would like to see him say more on the economy and say more on on defense. Um it's not just about trying to form an emotional connection with the public. Uh he is not
But um the job is about running the country. He's not applying to be everybody's boyfriend. He is applying to be or rather he is in the job where he needs to make sure that we are protected, that we have money, that we can look after ourselves, we're not bankrupt. That's what I want to see from you.