Interview · 24 Oct 2025
The Mishal Husain Show (Bloomberg)
Video: YouTube: Bloomberg Podcasts (official channel). Retrieved 2 Oct 2026.
Some bluff & spinProvisional
673 sentences · 29 checked claims · 150 questions
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Mishal Husain
Well, I want to start with a sense of the moment, actually, because I'm conscious that you are in the midst of a remarkable few months where your party has been leading in the opinion polls in a sustained way, which is why if there was an election today and we don't really have that kind of system in the UK, but if there was an election today, you'd be, you look likely to become prime minister.
AnsweredTold he looks likely to become Prime Minister. The reply says Reform would win an election tomorrow but there is a long way to go.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
But also on you personally, the idea of being prime minister, are you properly adjusted to this idea? Because most people see you, this is what you're known for, campaigner, disrupter, someone who brings change from the outside. Actually leading for the whole country is a very different thing.
AnsweredAsked whether he is adjusted to leading rather than disrupting from outside. The reply says the country now needs change from the inside and he is ready.Our model rated this
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But you've only been an MP for a year.
AnsweredTold he has only been an MP for a year. The reply points to 30 years in politics.Our model rated this
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Political experience, but not governing experience, you've never been part of.
AnsweredTold he has no experience of governing. The reply says the same was true of others.Our model rated this
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You did once say that you you did once say that you couldn't imagine having a seat around the cabinet table, that it was not something that attracted you?
AnsweredAsked about once saying a cabinet seat did not attract him. The reply says titles do not interest him, only what can be done with them.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Yeah, but I still wonder about the kind of work that in, that is involved in delivering for a country as the prime minister. It involves sitting there with the red boxes, going through the official government papers.
Partly answeredAsked about the daily paperwork of a Prime Minister. The reply asks what he has been doing for 25 years.Our model rated this
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But you haven't been going through civil service papers every day. It is different.
Partly answeredTold government paperwork is different. The reply says he has built movements from nothing, without addressing government work.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Okay, so you're ready for it? It is the job that you want to do.
AnsweredAsked whether he wants the job. The reply says it is enormous, he understands the barriers, and it has to be done.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
But would you govern for all? Because you're not known as someone who brings people together. You're known as someone who chooses their issues, campaigns very hard on them, who's often predicted and made the political weather. But you're not a unifier. Doesn't a prime minister have to be that?
AnsweredAsked whether a Prime Minister must be a unifier. The reply says there have been too many unifiers.Our model rated this
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So you would govern as a, as a divisive figure?
AnsweredAsked whether he would govern as a divisive figure. The reply says he would govern with a majority on a radical manifesto some will dislike.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
How formative was that experience to who you are today?
AnsweredAsked how formative his City years were. The reply describes his family's work there and the 1980s City.Our model rated this
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Deregulation?
AnsweredAsked about deregulation. The reply agrees.Our model rated this
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We did have social problems, though. A lot of people got left.
AnsweredTold there were social problems then too. The reply says not like today's.Our model rated this
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A lot of people got left behind in that period. And some of them are supporting your party today. We had deindustrialisation. There were mining communities.
AnsweredTold mining communities were left behind. The reply agrees and adds the later pit closures.Our model rated this
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And this has been a theme of what you've been saying. Essentially, you you look on migration as the source of all the country's ills.
AnsweredTold he sees migration as the source of all the country's problems. The reply rejects that. (Premise challenged.)Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Well, you just pointed that we were we were more British. in the period you're looking at.
Partly answeredTold he had just said Britain was more British then. The reply lists economic problems without addressing the point about migration.Our model rated this
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No, the social problems we were having.
AnsweredAsked about social problems in that period. The reply accepts there were divisions but says today's are worse.Our model rated this
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Hmm. So it was that, there's a direct link then between Brexit and your work in the city?
AnsweredAsked whether there is a direct link between Brexit and his City career. The reply says absolutely.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
In the 1980s and 1990s, you came here at the age of 18 actually, straight out of school. When you look at Brexit today and what has happened in the last nine years, and you say that it's a poorer country today than it was, do you think it was worth having the referendum in 2016?
Partly answeredAsked whether the 2016 referendum was worth it given the economic record. The reply says freedom and self-government were worth it, without addressing the economic cost.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
But that's why I ask the question, was it worth having it in 2016? The vote. Given what we know now, Sterling has never recovered its value.
Partly answeredTold sterling has never recovered. The reply says it has been falling for decades. (Premise challenged.)Our model rated this
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Business investment, which was rising steadily, has not, has stalled since then.
Partly answeredTold business investment stalled after the vote. The reply says the problems predate Brexit and blames the Conservatives.Our model rated this
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And do you think you could have done better if you were prime minister?
AnsweredAsked whether he would have done better. The reply says miles better.Our model rated this
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So then if you were prime minister, and I can ask you this question because the way the polls are looking right now. So today, if you became prime minister, would you rip up the treaty, the agreement that Keir Starmer made with the EU earlier this year?
Partly answeredAsked whether he would rip up the UK–EU agreement. The reply says it is up for renegotiation and poor, without yet saying he would scrap it.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Well, I've heard this before from, okay, from conservatives, not from people in your party, but from people who believed in Brexit.
AnsweredTold she has heard this from Conservatives. The reply says they never believed in Brexit.Our model rated this
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So if Brexit has never been done properly, you as prime minister would reshape our relationship with the EU.
Partly answeredAsked whether he would reshape the EU relationship. The reply answers a different point, saying he would not be running.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
What do you mean?
AnsweredAsked what he meant. The reply explains he would not be in politics if Brexit had not happened.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
No, I mean, if you were prime minister, what would you do with the current alignment that we have with the EU on many areas?
Partly answeredAsked what he would do about alignment with the EU. The reply calls for a tough renegotiation without saying whether alignment would end.Our model rated this
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So you would rip up the Keir Starmer agreement with the EU. I think you're saying.
AnsweredAsked whether he would scrap the agreement. The reply says the whole thing needs a rethink.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Nigel Farage That means you would be taking an economic risk right now. And that's and you have been known all your life for taking risks, right? It's in your book. Everything in life is about risk, and that you pride yourself on being a gambler. Can I read these words to you?
Entrepreneurship's about risk. I love a gamble. Yeah. I love stacking up the odds. And it's only been through taking enormous risks that the party and I have got to where we are today.
Is that the kind of prime minister you would be? A risk taking prime minister.
AnsweredAsked whether he would be a risk-taking Prime Minister. The reply says the country needs more risk-taking.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
So you take a risk with the relationship with the with the nearest nearest neighbor, the big geography that puts this big market on our door. You take a risk with that in the in the interests of a greater good?
AnsweredAsked whether he would take risks with the EU relationship. The reply says a bad relationship needs risks to reshape it.Our model rated this
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So how would you reshape it? You'd end alignment, is that what you're saying?
Partly answeredAsked whether he would end alignment. The reply calls alignment catastrophic without saying yes or no.Our model rated this
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So you'd end it?
Partly answeredAsked again whether he would end it. The reply repeats that it is catastrophic.Our model rated this
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You'd end alignment with the EU if you were prime minister?
Partly answeredAsked a third time. The reply explains why alignment makes no sense, still without a yes or no.Our model rated this
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Is that a yes to the question I've asked? You would end alignment with the EU as prime minister completely?
AnsweredAsked whether that is a yes. The reply says 100% plus.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Okay. So this is the point. You're still a risk taker? You were in your years as a trader in the City and you're still going to govern in that way if you were elected prime minister. I know you had two really traumatic experiences as a very young man.
You were hit by a car and you ended up spending two months in hospital and you were then diagnosed with testicular. cancer.
AnsweredAsked to confirm his accident and cancer diagnosis. The reply confirms.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
When you're in your in your in your early 20s, and there's another and I know you said that this is part of why you you decided you needed to do things with your life. But there's a there's a different way that that story could have gone, which is that you conserve your energy and you prioritize your family and you think of all that's that's close to you. Instead, you had two failed marriages
AnsweredAsked why he did not choose a quieter life. The reply says it is called living.Our model rated this
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And you went and you campaigned around the country.
AnsweredAsked about his campaigning life. The reply says his experience of success and failure qualifies him.Our model rated this
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So what have been your big failures?
Partly answeredAsked what his big failures were. The reply mentions personal and financial mistakes without specifics.Our model rated this
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Is that?
AnsweredAsked whether 'Make Britain Great Again' was a joke. The reply says it was fun with an American audience.Our model rated this
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So you didn't mean it?
AnsweredAsked whether he meant it. The reply says of course.Our model rated this
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What story did they tell you about Britain's past? What is it that you think of when you think of when Britain was great.
AnsweredAsked what he thinks of when Britain was great. The reply names a stable society, shared belief and religion.Our model rated this
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Are you a man of faith?
AnsweredAsked whether he is a man of faith. The reply says yes, though struggling.Our model rated this
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Do you go to church?
Partly answeredAsked whether he goes to church. The reply says he is an Anglican and criticises the Church of England, without saying whether he attends.Our model rated this
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What the Church of England?
AnsweredAsked about the Church of England. The reply calls it terrible.Our model rated this
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So you believe? You believe, but there's no church that you feel like attending?
AnsweredAsked whether there is no church he wants to attend. The reply says he might have become Catholic if he attended more.Our model rated this
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But, you haven't?
AnsweredAsked whether he has. The reply says no.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Which years? Which is the decade you're looking at? That's what I'm curious about. When you say the words when Britain was great. What is in your mind, which is the decade?
Partly answeredAsked which decade he means. The reply lists ways Britain was great without naming a period.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Yeah, but those are issues. I'm wondering about what period when you when you look to the past, are you thinking about the 1980s and the period you were in the City, or are you thinking about the First World War and Britain as a great power.
AnsweredAsked whether he means the 1980s or the First World War. The reply points to the period since 1688.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
But we're not going to go back to the 17th century.
AnsweredTold Britain cannot go back to the 17th century. The reply says he answered the question asked.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
No, as a political leader when you think of when you want Britain to go back to because you. Don't want Britain to go Want Britain to be great again, what are you looking to as the model?
AnsweredAsked what model he looks to. The reply says he wants Britain to go forwards, not back.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
But these are untested ideas in government, aren't they? I know you were talking the other day about wanting to have a national currency reserve.
Partly answeredTold his digital currency ideas are untested. The reply asks her to repeat.Our model rated this
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We don't know what that looks like.
AnsweredTold no one knows what a national crypto reserve looks like. The reply says the UK is behind other countries and gives an example.Our model rated this
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So the Bank of England, if you think they're so out of step with where their focus should be, in your view, would you revoke their independence as prime minister?
DodgedAsked whether he would end the Bank of England's independence. The reply criticises the 1997 transfer of banking regulation instead.Our model rated this
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Do you mean the Financial Conduct Authority?
AnsweredAsked whether he means the FCA. The reply says yes.Our model rated this
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So would you disband that?
Partly answeredAsked whether he would abolish the FCA. The reply calls it useless.Our model rated this
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Would you do away with then?
Partly answeredAsked again whether he would abolish it. The reply calls for a radical rethink.Our model rated this
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Isn't the truth though, I mean, you don't really, it's not a question of who does the regulation. I think you instinctively don't like regulation or red tape. You see it as a hindrance, And other people might see it as the things that protect us from wrongdoing.
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But I think you also, as prime minister, you are signaling that you'd be prepared to do away with the Financial Conduct Authority. You would give those powers back to the Bank of England.
AnsweredTold he would move the FCA's powers to the Bank of England. The reply says yes, a complete rethink, and calls the FCA a failure.Our model rated this
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Would you sack Andrew Bailey as governor of the Bank of England?
DodgedAsked whether he would sack the Governor of the Bank of England. The reply turns to his own debanking.Our model rated this
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And what about the governor of the Bank of England?
Partly answeredAsked about the Governor. The reply says he is a nice enough man, but.Our model rated this
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Would he keep his job if you were prime minister.
Partly answeredAsked whether the Governor would keep his job. The reply says he has had a good run and they might find someone else.Our model rated this
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Really?
Partly answeredAsked to confirm. The reply repeats he has had a good run.Our model rated this
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So you are signaling you'd be prepared to sack him?
Partly answeredAsked whether he is signalling a sacking. The reply says he is not signalling anything.Our model rated this
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This is shades of President Trump and the Federal Reserve.
Partly answeredTold this echoes Trump and the Federal Reserve. The reply describes a meeting with the Governor about stablecoins, not the comparison.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Social care, how you'd fill vacancies in the social care sector, but, and national security and there are people in the political establishment, Labour figures, Conservative figures, including Boris Johnson, who think that you and your party are soft on Russia.
AnsweredTold critics see Reform as soft on Russia. The reply rejects the charge and explains a past remark about Putin.Our model rated this
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I think the accusations come from the fact that you've said things in the past.
Partly answeredTold the charge comes from past statements. The reply asks how she knows what he will say.Our model rated this
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You've suggested that NATO provoked Putin into invading Ukraine.
AnsweredTold he suggested NATO provoked the invasion. The reply stands by criticism of NATO expansion and calls Putin very bad.Our model rated this
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Why hasn't President Trump put more pressure on him?
Partly answeredAsked why Trump has not pressed Putin harder. The reply says Trump is pressuring India.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Well, what what put a fire under the accusations was very recently when the former leader of your party in Wales pleaded guilty to eight counts of bribery, taking money from someone described as a pawn of the Russian secret services.
AnsweredAsked about the former Reform leader in Wales pleading guilty to bribery. The reply calls it appalling.Our model rated this
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He was the leader of your party in Wales.
AnsweredTold he led Reform in Wales. The reply says only for three weeks.Our model rated this
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He's been, he's been involved with UKIP, your former party. He was involved in Brexit, you, the Brexit Party, your former party with. He's been at your side for 25 years.
AnsweredTold he had been at Farage's side for 25 years. The reply accepts that and describes his shock.Our model rated this
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Well, is it just one bad apple?
AnsweredAsked whether it is one bad apple. The reply says yes.Our model rated this
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You can assure voters that there is no one else like Nathan Gil in Reform's ranks?
AnsweredAsked to assure voters there are no others. The reply says anyone suspected would not be let in.Our model rated this
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And you're sure that no, no one else has taken money from those kind of Russian sources?
AnsweredAsked whether he is sure no one else took Russian money. The reply says he is sure.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
Can I just quickly then understand your instincts on Russia a bit more fully with a few scenarios? So if you were prime minister and NATO's jets entered, Russian jets entered NATO's airspace, where do you stand on that.
AnsweredAsked what he would do if Russian jets entered NATO airspace. The reply says shoot them down.Our model rated this
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Do you think they should be?
AnsweredAsked to confirm. The reply repeats it.Our model rated this
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No questions, Whatever that does? However much that inflames tensions?
AnsweredAsked whether that holds however much it inflames tensions. The reply says Russia needs to be taught a lesson.Our model rated this
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Frozen assets, Russian frozen assets. Should be used to to help fight the war?
DodgedAsked whether frozen Russian assets should fund the war. The reply says his position is clear without stating it.Our model rated this
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No, what's the answer to that?
Partly answeredAsked for the answer. The reply says the assets are in Belgium.Our model rated this
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So they should be, they should be used?
Partly answeredAsked whether they should be used. The reply says ask Belgium, but yes if held through illegal means.Our model rated this
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So your instincts is as British prime minister?
DodgedAsked what his instinct is as Prime Minister. The reply says Putin is a bad man and she will get nowhere.Our model rated this
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You'd put British troops on the ground in post-war Ukraine after a ceasefire.
AnsweredAsked whether he would send British troops to post-war Ukraine. The reply says he would be very cautious and prefers a UN force.Our model rated this
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Because you'd be worried about them being a target for the Russians?
Partly answeredAsked whether he fears troops being targeted. The reply says it would not be clever, without saying why.Our model rated this
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You see, you see, exactly that kind of thing is what gives, hearing something caveated that way.
Partly answeredTold such caveats encourage Russia. The reply says he is not a warmonger.Our model rated this
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Mishal Husain
So would you want ICE style raids taking place here to deport the 600,000 people in five years that you want to do?
Partly answeredAsked whether he wants ICE-style raids in Britain. The reply describes the US approach, not his own.Our model rated this
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Is that what you want? The the ICE, the ICE raids are done by masked armed men who jump out of vehicles, grab people and go into workplaces.
Partly answeredTold ICE raids involve masked armed men. The reply calls that a media narrative. (Premise challenged.)Our model rated this
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They do have masks, don't they? And guns. And they do go into workplaces and homes.
AnsweredTold agents carry masks and guns. The reply says he would hope they have guns.Our model rated this
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Would you want that here? That's really because this interview is about what you would do as prime minister.
DodgedAsked whether he wants that in Britain. The reply turns to US voluntary departure figures.Our model rated this
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I want to understand what potential lessons you're taking for the UK.
Partly answeredAsked what lessons he takes. The reply says done properly it can be effective.Our model rated this
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So is that a yes to ICE style raids in the UK?
Partly answeredAsked whether that is a yes to ICE-style raids. The reply says Britain would do it its own way.Our model rated this
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What is that. Does our way involve the army?
Partly answeredAsked whether that involves the army. The reply says Border Force, without addressing the army.Our model rated this
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How, how would it be different? Would you use the army?
Partly answeredAsked how it would differ and whether he would use the army. The reply calls Border Force a taxi service, without addressing the army.Our model rated this
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So would you use the Army?
DodgedAsked again whether he would use the army. The reply talks about Border Force morale.Our model rated this
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It's saving people. essentially. in the channel and bringing them to shore.
Partly answeredTold Border Force is saving lives. The reply says she may see it that way.Our model rated this
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Is that what you mean by the.
AnsweredAsked whether that is what he means. The reply confirms.Our model rated this
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I think that's what you're referring to when you say taxi service.
AnsweredAsked what he means by a taxi service. The reply describes boats escorted and picked up.Our model rated this
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But I, I think what's really important is to understand how. Because the numbers you've said you would deport are really significant. 600,000 over five years. Which is why I'm interested in the methods.
Partly answeredAsked how he would deport 600,000 people. The reply says most would accept leaving, without giving methods.Our model rated this
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It's about 9000 a year currently. And to meet your target, you'd be increasing that by ten times. Do you think you can?
AnsweredAsked whether he can multiply deportations tenfold. The reply says he thinks so.Our model rated this
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Is it doable?
AnsweredAsked whether it is doable. The reply says yes and adds that most countries imprison illegal entrants.Our model rated this
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So is that what you would do? People would arrive and they would be put in prison immediately.
AnsweredAsked whether arrivals would be imprisoned. The reply says detained and deported.Our model rated this
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In prison?
AnsweredAsked whether that means prison. The reply says ex-military bases and cites Australia.Our model rated this
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You've got a big pledge also to cut significant amounts of government waste. I know you're rethinking your economic plans, but there is a figure in your. Not the broad principles, Not the broad principles? Well, what about the amounts? So it says in this from last year that you would cut waste by the tune, government waste, to save £50 billion a year?
Is that still the.
Partly answeredAsked whether the £50 billion waste figure still stands. The reply says that was about right.Our model rated this
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That's still the plan?
AnsweredAsked whether it is still the plan. The reply says they may go further.Our model rated this
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You, you'd get more than 50 million?
Partly answeredAsked whether he would find more than that. The reply cites Argentina without a figure.Our model rated this
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Well Elon Musk discovered that he couldn't cut nearly as much as he hoped to. Initially, he said $2 trillion, and he had to halve that. And then it went right down.
AnsweredTold Elon Musk's cuts fell short. The reply cites Reform councils' savings.Our model rated this
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Okay. What happens if you were elected to government and you're prime minister and you find out that you can't find the savings you want? You're in the process of rethinking your economic plan.
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All kinds of tax cutting plans which are now having to be rethought. Is that because they were unworkable?
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And you are in the midst of having a serious think. But what I want to ask you is that you people said about your plans to spend and to tax cuts, that they were unworkable and they were fantasy economics. And the fact that you're having to rethink them, suggest that they were right.
AnsweredTold critics called the plans fantasy. The reply says he is not rethinking them and they will be more radical.Our model rated this
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More radical in which way you? More tax cuts or more austerity?
Declined openlyAsked whether that means more tax cuts or more austerity. The reply says details will come in speeches before the budget.Our model rated this
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Well, you're going to have to, though.
AnsweredTold attitude must still be in a manifesto. The reply says it cannot be written down.Our model rated this
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This one was called a contract and there were promises in it that don't stand anymore.
DodgedTold the previous contract had promises that no longer stand. The reply remarks on her career at the BBC instead.Our model rated this
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So you're going to have to inspire people, aren't you?
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Which takes me back to where I started that, are you going to be someone who brings people together, because you're known for turning the fire on people. You're not known for being someone who appeals right across the country, and has a common message.
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Mishal Husain
What is great about Britain today?
DodgedAsked what is great about Britain today. The reply defends his record of teasing opponents and calls for a culture of risk, without naming anything great.Our model rated this
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If you don't succeed as prime minister, it's not the same as your personal success. That's about the fortunes of the country that are riding on that.
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So you're going to need more than a vibe.
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What? You as you as one man and the vibe you create will save the country?
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You see, I know you're a risk taker, but I think the moment of real risk that exists for your party right now is that you've had this sustained period where you've been rising in the opinion polls while you've been making big promises on spending, on big tax cuts. And now you're at a point where having to rethink your economic policy and it's it's probably going to be much more like the realities that other parties face.
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That's not the signals that that your people in your party are setting out. They're saying you're going to have a fully costed manifesto.
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That you're facing the same realities that other parties do.
Partly answeredTold Reform faces the same realities as others. The reply says it is now in local government.Our model rated this
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So is Donald Trump a role model for you, for government?
AnsweredAsked whether Trump is a role model. The reply says yes on national interest and keeping promises.Our model rated this
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Which are the areas that you disagree?
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Do you think he's damaging the American economy with tariffs?
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But you don't like the tariffs?
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So he is. So is he, to a large extent, restoring faith in the democratic system?
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And I think you could be part of that breakdown of trust, because this document which said, Our Contract With You, it's a contract with the voters. It's the document you stood on last year.
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You were the party leader standing on this document. Your face, your face is right there on the front.
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Yeah, but there are numbers in it. It's put forward as a contract.
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But you're talking about a breakdown of trust, and you've been very much part of a breakdown of trust, haven't you? By going back.
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If you complain about a breakdown of trust, don't you have to stick to your promises?
Partly answeredAsked whether he must keep his promises. The reply restates one aim: no income tax under £20,000.Our model rated this
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And when do you think you'd be able to deliver that in government?
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Okay. Nigel Farage. This is the Bloomberg weekend interview. I wondered if you get one these days because you are more in demand than ever before. According to your team you're meeting presidents, prime ministers and kings from the Middle East these days.
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But are you meeting kings from the Middle East.
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Is this inaccurate, that you're meeting presidents, prime ministers and king's from the Middle East?
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It's one of your senior supporters and donors who said this.
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But you are in circles you haven't been in before?
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So it's a long haul, because technically it's not due for another four years and the current government has a large majority. Do you think you can sustain the level of engagement you'd need to to to still be in this position in four years time? You're not really known for, you stuck at the idea of wanting to be out of the European Union, but you've had a number of different parties over the years.
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That's why you think there'll be a general election then?
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I want to know what sustains you. Is it true you read constantly?
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What are you reading at the moment?
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In the early 20th century?
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And so why are you interested in that?
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You're going back 100 years to try and find the answers to that.
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What else are you reading?
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I heard you like poetry?
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Everything you're reading is kind of part of your homework, if you like, for government. Is that the case? What do you do to actually put your head in a different place?
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You've always kind of been there, haven't you?
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To close, I want to go back to where I began and the kind of person you're known for and the kind of person you'd have to be if you're to be a great prime minister. What would you say to someone who worries that you might deport their grandmother or you might not be a leader for them because they are not white or Muslim? What would you say to them?
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What? What would you say to them? There are people who think that. Give me a message for them.
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Is that your answer to someone who would be worried about you as a prime minister? That's what I'm wondering. Well if people are worried. What is your message of unity? Do you have one?
AnsweredAsked for a message of unity. The reply says anyone here legally is welcome, and the party will be tough on illegal immigration.Our model rated this
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